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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Appe96 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:24 pm

And if they have the same fighting capability, I fear that they will be abused. What stops somone from stockpiling MK for 6 months, then declare war on the world as he sends 3 million kerbals across the world?
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by The Cobbler on Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:42 pm

Are unmobilised units abused now? Theyd be nearly the same.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Appe96 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:50 pm

No because the MP cap is scrapped from what I hear. Thus there is nothing stopping anyone doing tonnes of inf regs, unless we add a manpower system which some pople might find too complicated.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by The Cobbler on Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:32 pm

But weve already states that MP would still cost MK, limiting the system. Not to mention mobilising would also cost tiem and money.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Hellorp on Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:36 am

The Cobbler wrote:I am saying we dont need a reserve system. Reserves can be normal units that simply need to be deployed before they can be used, whereas standing army units are just units you perma-deploy

This system would be simpler and more effective. It's stupid that atm there is no reason to have an actual standing army.
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Post by The Cobbler on Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:05 pm

You misunderstand me. What Im saying is that if a defender needs to mobilise, there is a reason for a standing army. Considering you dont want to spend all of your cash each turn though, youd still have undeployed troops, which we could call reserves.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:29 am

Reading trough everything here is what i propose:
(also updated OP and added a unofficial poll)

Growth
To make this system work better, and to not make kerbals sex crazy rabbits the growth rate should be lowered to 20,000 per cycle The farm buildings should keep their current effect for max population, but also give another 5,000 in growth each

Mobilization
Any army is divided into two different groups:

Reserves:
Reserves is just another name for unmobilized troops. They require to be mobilized for both offensive and defending wars.

Standing Army:
This is your active army, it can be used for both defending and attacking without any extra costs. You need to first deploy it and then every cycle pay for the upkeep.

Mobilizing/Deploying
To mobilize a reserve unit you take it's mp and make it to pp. So a 1mp unit costs 1pp to mobilize. You can only mobilize 5 troops at any given time.

Upkeep
Each deployed MP costs 0.5MK each cycle. Meaning a 300MP army would cost 150MK each cycle.

Working Population
When you do your taxes simply take how much MP you have deployed and multiply it by 1000. Those are the people who will not pay taxes or contribute to the production. So if a nation with 1,000,000 people has a active army of 100MP. They will only have 9,900,000 people giving tax money and industrial production.

MP cap
There will be no cap to the amount of soldiers you can have, as long as you can afford them. This means you have a choice, do you want to be a rich neutral Switzerland working towards space? Or do you want to be a large empire.

National Focus
Using this system the national focus system is abolished.

Trade
To compensate for making money scarcer you can now have a trade agreement with maximum 12 people. Each agreement will always give 2MK per cycle. This makes it so while money is still going to be scarce you will have enough to do stuff. This also allows peaceful intervention by establishing embargoes, a.k.a forbidding trade with a certain nation.

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by cziken20 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:36 am

Im goin to vote in an other way. I want this, but with the other tarde system, and the national focus system.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by cziken20 on Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:41 am

I change my mind. The nat focus system can be removed. However a change to trade system - base income is 1 MK + PP divided by 100 + from buildings.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Charzy on Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:02 pm

1000 per MP is negligible, should be 2000. The biggest units will no longer have cloning vats, and the other ones like tanks would have an army of engineers behind them anyways.

Slowing growth is a great way of saying "fuck you" to new players. I designed it the way it was to allow new players to become level with old ones within a few months, because that's good gameplay balance.


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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:03 pm

I must say yes. Beacuse it bugged me it made very little difference. I edited the OP

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:08 pm

I also realized i made a spelling wrong. 100MP should be 100,000 people. Meaning 900,000 left, not 9,900,000. But i changed it to 2000 anyway

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Charzy on Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:15 pm

Trade with 2 MK per cycle per trade route (don't distinguish between trade route types, that's just silly) is fine, so long as there's no way to ever increase it to more than that.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:01 pm

With what i proposed it's a maximum of 24mk per cycle thanks to trade, but you will also earn less thanks to upkeep. And emarboes have meaning. All this without extra complications

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Charzy on Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:18 pm

I also don't think there should be a cap on trade routes, that doesn't really make much sense either.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:33 pm

It was just a way to nerf it, but i guess if everyone is against it i'll remove that too. Edited OP

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:45 pm

After some proposals and discussion i removed the undeployed troops part. Everything will now have to be deployed. Edited op

(You can always cancel vote)

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:36 pm

So even though only one person was against it and there was a lot of support this was chosen not to be implemented?

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Post by cziken20 on Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:39 pm

Yes.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:53 pm

I'm not complaining, i just want to hear why.

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Crichton on Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:16 pm

To put it simply, the majority of the mod staff found the system too complicated to implement and too difficult to balance.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:28 pm

Not even a simpler version of this? I guess i'll go back to never even considering a offensive war.

Because this could be made even simpler.

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Post by MysticPing on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:24 pm

TO be clear, is anyone at all happy this was not implemented?
Beacuse i got to hear that kryten said was basically a lie. He said "no" and that was "the majority agreeing"

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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by Crichton on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:27 pm

I put up my changes, nobody in the mod staff has objected to them since.
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Re: Deployment/Mobilizing/Upkeep changes

Post by MysticPing on Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:28 pm

Well the normal users was under the impression that this was a formal decision

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