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Post by borisperrons on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:52 pm

Advanced Space Development Initiative



The ASDI has its basis in the technological and technical collaboration between the Red Sun Empire, the Empire of Kahlawia and the Kingdom of Oxuythar. The aim of ASDI is to continue this collaboration, to expand the knowledge and abilities of the members, and to create an international scientifical community that shares know-how and objectives, so to reach them in faster and better ways.


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Red Sun Empire
Empire of Kahlawia
Kingdom of Oxuythar
HUENH
Union of Segerline
Osonia
UKK


ASDI New Member Welcome

Hello,

The ASDI was formed by a small group of nations to achieve a few key goals:

1. Jointly Accomplish Key Missions in space together. This saves everyone tremendous cost and allows nations that do not yet have a given technology to do a mission. (OOC these are the rocketry prerequisites)

2. Share Technology. We split the cost of research in non-military space (scientific, economic). For new members we can help you save research costs. We can negotiate a schedule to release technology to you depending on how involved you want to be. See either of the curators (Red Sun or Kahlawia) of the tech files. This is the main reason for membership dues which are normally 10 Mk per cycle . New members wishing large amounts of technology all at once will have to deposit multiple due at once ahead of time. We can save you a great deal of kerbit.

3. Specific Projects and Designs - members agree to share launcher designs with each other and on an approved basis to other nations. Again, for new members this is a matter of trust.

The main way we build trust is through missions (see 1 above) or through buying into special projects. Current projects are:
- IKSS
- Majority Reusable Lifter Development
- Mun Base Effort
- Small Reusable Crew Launch System development
- Space Outpost Resupply Vehicle development

Members also can suggest projects, or features of projects. We all design together.

4. Sharing launch facilities - we do this to save costs. Being part of the ASDI has clear cost savings if you are interested in space.

New members just need to discuss these points with a curator nation and make an agreement.

Assignment roster:


Organization's treasury:
The treasury will be used to fund ASDI's research projects, and to fund the space operations of the organizations members. Request of fundings will be reviewed by the joint directive commission. Failure to pay the cyclic funding will result in suspension of ASDI's technological help.

217
Treasury 39,6 MK

Kahlawia funding: +10 MK
RSE funding: +10 MK
Oxuythar funding: +10 MK
HUENH funding: +19,6 MK
Segerlinen funding: +10 MK

RSE tech development grant: 20 MK

217.5
Tot: 59,6 MK

Kahlawia funding: +10 MK
RSE funding: +10 MK
Oxuythar funding: +10 MK
HUENH funding: +10 MK
Segerlinen funding: +10 MK

RSE tech development grant: -30 MK

218
Tot: 124,8 MK


Kahlawia funding: +10 MK
RSE funding: +10 MK
Oxuythar funding: +10 MK
HUENH funding: +10 MK
Segerlinen funding: +10 MK
UKK funding: +25 MK
Osonia funding: + 10 MK

218.5
Tot: 194,8 MK


Kahlawia funding: +10 MK
RSE funding: +10 MK
Oxuythar funding: +10 MK
HUENH funding: +10 MK
Segerlinen funding: +10 MK
UKK funding: +10 MK
Osonia funding: + 10 MK

219
Tot: 264,8 MK


Kahlawia funding: +10 MK
RSE funding: +10 MK
Oxuythar funding: +10 MK
HUENH funding: +10 MK
Segerlinen funding: +10 MK
UKK funding: +10 MK
Osonia funding: + 10 MK

219.5
Tot: 274,8 MK


Kahlawia funding: +10 MK
RSE funding: +10 MK
Oxuythar funding: +10 MK
HUENH funding: +10 MK
Segerlinen funding: +10 MK
UKK funding: +10 MK
Osonia funding: + 10 MK

Kahlawian grant: -60 MK

Technology trade is permitted, under ASDI's rules.

Shared technologies:



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Re: Advanced Space Development Initiative - ASDI

Post by Top8media on Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:09 pm

Blessings of the Red Sun upon all the brave and bold who bring our civilization into space. All who do so express the most noble elements of the Kerbal soul.

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Re: Advanced Space Development Initiative - ASDI

Post by Top8media on Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:22 pm

As a first focus, the RSE proposes an Inter-Kerbal Space Station (IKSS).  This orbital depot and stop over can be a foundation for a large variety of missions farther out into space.  It provides a place to park planetary return vehicles and support a positive biological life support capacity - providing visiting ships with food and life support that results from modules they do not need to carry with them on mission phases less than 1 month but allowing longer total mission times.

The IKSS can be a vital link in opening up operations on the Mun, Minmus and beyond.


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Post by Top8media on Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:35 pm

RSE has established a data feed the composits the majority of our military radar data and the data from the new arrays at our space center. Please reciprocate and we can share the burden of analysis.

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Post by cziken20 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:30 am

We, HUENH, are willing to join. We seek into space, and think about setting a colony. The tech we think about is yet far away from us, but with help of collaboration, we are sure we can achieve such abilities.
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Post by borisperrons on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:13 pm

That's surely in the spirit of the organization. Your ideas are welcome here!
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Post by MysticPing on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:23 pm

"We would like to help wit the IKSS program, but not join the organization, is this possible?"

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:38 pm

Die Segerlinische Veltall Kollektiv (The SVK) is a newly created civillian space collective in Segerline, run by scientists and engineers who dreams to advance our Union into space. We wonder if we could join the ASDI?

Granted, it is gonna take some time for us to get set up. The country's economy needs to be built up before we can dream of getting resources by people interested in space, and we are gonna have to set up a space center, but it would be nice to know if such an non-governmental organisation could join.

- Werner Blaue, Chairman of the SVK.

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Post by Top8media on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:11 pm

Blessings or the Red Sun upon you!

Welcome to both of your fine nations! May our scientific minds and technical natures be enriches through cooperation on the IKSS and also on future projects. You are all personally invited to book dinner parties with me at the Imperial complexes. I give my full support to the ASDI!

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Re: Advanced Space Development Initiative - ASDI

Post by dogon11 on Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:40 am

Fisnavavaada has heard of your "IKSS". We believe it to be a brilliant idea that can truly only do good for the future of kerbed spaceflight. We will propose to the ICEXO temporary cooperation if you will allow us to assist with the IKSS.
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Post by Top8media on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:26 am

Wonderful - Fisnavavaada is more than welcome to contribute to the IKSS. It will be delightful to have a wealth of engineering perspectives represented.

Soon we should establish a design comittee so that our various modules are interoperable and make a functional station.  Some intial topics for consideration:

- Fuel Depot Operation, Access, Policies and Procedures (resource management)
- Gryscopic Systems (collision evasion, geometry of torque systems)
- RTG-Solar-Battery Unified Power Systems
- Biological Life Support Modules (Space Farming)
- Modularity and Use of robotic Space Tugs for construction / repair
- High Capacity Data Communications
- Emergency Systems (Flare Shetlers, Ablation Cascade Events, Backup Crew Return)
- Applied Science Modules (i.e. Indsutrial research)
- Observatories (optical, x-ray, IR, Radio telescopes)
- Access Orbits (parking orbits, considering easy access redevous strategies, orbital mechanics)

We should all collectively contribute tracking data on space objects too, so as to establish a system of orbital debris risk mitigation for the station and its access.

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Post by MysticPing on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:37 am

We should also have some kind of defense module. Against larger easy to spot debri pieces.

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:38 am

The SVK is still in its infant stage, but we are more than happy to help the design of modules and comming with ideas. However today we are not even close to having the infrastructure, budget or launchers to send any of this into space.

As for the Kyuxian delegate, don't you think there are enough weapons in space already?

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Post by Top8media on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:40 am

IKSS Addendum:

- Tolerances, i.e. redundancy factors (how many green houses, how many RTGs, should they be spaced apart so some better survive a collision)

- Safe Docking (we should have docking spars that are robust enough to survive piloting mishaps, these should be away from fragile bits like solar arrays).

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Post by Top8media on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:43 am

If the Kyux delegate is willing to desgin some sort of debris defense that is good. Note that a kinetic defense system only causes more debris. This is called anablation cascade ... one cillison makes more collsions, makes yet more .... and is a very dangerous scenario.

It might be possible to deflect debris with the use of high powered, collimated heat beams. Perhaps a very focused mirror or some sort of stimulated emission beam.

This beam system might require alot of electrical power, which our engineers could provide with a reactor or RTG array.

Alternately, some sort of soft barrier might work - one that absorbs the debris without causing shrapnel. Like a bulletproof vest. Perhaps an inflatable shield.

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Post by MysticPing on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:50 am

We were thinking of concentrated high-power light. Something like the heat beam you suggested. We at Kyux can launch any payload of maximum 2.4 tonnes into a 100k orbit. What orbit will IKSS be at?

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Re: Advanced Space Development Initiative - ASDI

Post by borisperrons on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:18 am

We'd like to remind you that we are just looking into the possibilities of in space kerbal presence. We don't even know if a kerb can live and work for prolonged time periods in space. We feel that the IKSS design should be postponed at when we've broke the ground on these issues.

Plus, Kahlawia reminds you that the UKK has just tested a space weapon. We feel that you are forgiving that too easily.
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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:26 am

Maybe a docking in space should be in order as a mock up station. It would be two crewed space crafts that docks, and then have them orbit for maybe two weeks to study the effects?

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Post by MysticPing on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:26 am

That sounds like a good way to start

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Post by Top8media on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:27 am

Agreed, this is why we stress the planning stage of this space station. It gives time for proper research.  The plans can evolve as the science data demands.  Right now, we can however plan a great deal of the engineering data that from what we do know. Power, structural, attiude control, etc.

(ninja'd EDIT) The docking series is an excellent idea.

On the topic of the space weapon. Perhaps we should all sit and have a calm dialouge about it. The Empire feels that weaponry in space in inevitable, just as weapons here on Kerbin are present so too will there be weapons in space.  

We consider the main issue with a kinetic weapons test to be the danger of debris.  We also note that the expense for developing a debris defense / clean-up system would be high. Possibly, this could be seen as a pennance for the Kyux test?

Comments? Opinions?

As a session of a cooperative group behind closed doors for now, we should be able to shed some light on a path forward.

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Post by cziken20 on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:36 am

We think that a kinetic weapon is indeed bad. An explosive would make it hazardous, because debris would fly in different trajectories. A beam of concentrade light may be too expensive, or pwoer-eating, but if we can construct such it may be a good idea.

On the topic of space exploration, our scientist have managed to develop a rocket which after calculations expect to be able doing flyby of minmus, or even orbit. We are planning on heavy exploration of that moon, as some seeing its colour, expect it to be rich in minerals or have something unexpectable on it.
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Post by borisperrons on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:43 am

Space is already a dangerous place. Death is hiding behind every corner. Why putting other dangers in orbit?

Also, we are going into space to explore in name of scientific progress, not to conquer another territory for our nations. Weapons in space should be viewed as a crime against all kerbkind.
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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:44 am

We agree with the Kahlawian delegate. Let's not make space more dangerous, we would only agree to a energy beam. And that beam would be to redirect the orbit of debris, not actually destroying it.

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Post by borisperrons on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:47 am

We feel that the matter needs a more in depth discussion. We'll be hosting a conference on the argument, everyone willing to partecipate can privately contact us.
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Post by Top8media on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:50 am

Well, then ... until that conference we would nominate Kyux to lead the beam-broom initiaitve. Maybe they can bring some initial plans and science to the table This can also be of great use to clean up orbits of debris from normal activity. Dropped tools, upper stages.

We were considering the desgin of a tug that could de-orbit or catch such items. It would have a soft front section - a sort of net if you will. We could continue on the development of this as a backup.

Again, just to have something on the table at the conference.




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